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    MO DOT is screwing with me and my new windshield frame need legal help

    okay I have a 1988 y j which I have replace the old rusted out windshield frame on
    now MO DOT is telling me that I cannot remove the old vin number from the old windshield frame to put on the new windshield frame instead I have to file for a new title and go through a bunch a legal junk to get my jeep back on the road again has anyone else ever had this problem I thought that on the Jeep that the windshield badge was just a courtesy badge so that they didn't have the pop the hood and look at the firewall to check the vin everytime ..

    someone with experience please help me ..

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    No, that is not a courtesy VIN plate, that is what is known as the public VIN plate. Each vehicle made, since sometime in the 1970s, I think, has too have so many VIN numbers attached to it, some of which are hidden and some that can be seen easily. Anytime a cop comes across a vehicle with 2 different VINs, it raises a lot of red flags, and in a lot of cases, the vehicle is impounded until they can get it sorted out, and make sure that the vehicle and parts are not stolen. The best thing to do is to call the Highway Patrol and talk to them. Next time, do not call MoDOT, as they have nothing to do with vehicle registration. You need to call the Department of Revenue or the Highway Patrol.

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    BBTJ is right - I asked my father (a 30+ year LEO). The windshield VIN can't be tampered with. Call the Highway Patrol and find out what to do in this situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cwaage View Post
    BBTJ is right - I asked my father (a 30+ year LEO). The windshield VIN can't be tampered with. Call the Highway Patrol and find out what to do in this situation.
    What department is he with?

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    I have a 89 yj, but vin plate is on dash, not windershield frame ! ..... did design change from 88 to 89 ? Or did you replace more than windershield frame ?
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    okay I made a mistake it was not MO DOT it was Missouri Highway Patrol the first person I talk to on a different subject seems very knowledgeable and knew jeeps quite well the second person when I callealld back with questions regarding the VIN plate didn't give me much confidence in their knowledgea bout anything really for I had to explain to them everything the person before them had told me and they really didn't understand how it was even possible to remove a windshield frame from a Jeep :-/
    now surely someone out there has replaced a windshield frame on a Jeep with a new windshield frame it's not one from another vehicle it's a brand new out of the box order from a catalog windshield frame

    I would just like to move the vin plate from the old rusted out frame to the new one that is going back on my Jeep all the VIN numbers will match and from the conversation I had with the earlier patrolman I found out that is legal to drive a Jeep without even having a windshield frame it will even pass inspection you just have to have a motorcycle sticker instead of a windshield sticker I kid you not ..

    PS my 1974 CJ 5 has no VIN plate on the windshield frame it never has

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    Dealerships amd body shoppers replace windshield frames all the time. The jeep has multiple VINS on it. The best thing you can do is ask a dealership body shop what they do and "not" a private small shop as they may do a great job but not follow all the rules.

    Now with that being stated documention and pictures are ypur friend and- I repeat and prior to the replacement of the windshield frame go to the highway patrol and speak to a officer and "not" the base inspector that just verifies. Go up the food chain if needed. They will clearly help and document with paperwork any midifucations.

    Now with that being stated in my opinion you are not detaching the VIN plate from the bracket with those special Chrysler rivets- You are detaching the bracket from the windshield frame and replacing. I would ask that question and show. If they wouldn't budge or not be helpful then ask what the dealerships do when replacing. They may even still have the factory rivets and worth the money to have them do it and place the legality on them.
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    We used to be able to call the highway patrol and they would watch us swap the vin plates and they would give us the rivets to put them on. They would then sign off on it. This was 15-20 years ago though.
    Some people just need to get over themselves.

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    define windershield frame........ cuz my vin is not attatched to windershield ! I drive with windershield folded down at times, and VIN plate is not attatched to it !
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    The VIN plate is attached to the grey piece of metal
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